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DIALOGUE


The following are examples of  very typical yet interesting dialogue between LDS and Christians about their beliefs and it reveals a wide gap between them.  One can identify why there is often such difficulty in communication.  I did not change the spelling.

 

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The following dialogue is a response to a video... I changed the names as not to offend anyone, it is important to see the dialogue for what it is and note the wide variation of interpretation.

 

Christian 

LDS offer alien priesthood and temple, polytheism, polygamy, racism, conflicting scripture, false history, false translation (the BoA), another gospel and baptism, plan of salvation via works, proxy works for dead, covenants, oaths, goal to become eternally procreating Gods, modern prophets, God and Jesus have bodies, work accomplished for salvation after this life (Bible: we die then judgment), teach that Gods love, word, truth, and work on the cross were somehow lost and needed to be restored

 

Christian ditto !! --but the arrangement on this song is beautiful

 

LDS     

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Say whatever you will about Mormons, they bear good fruit. Better often than thse that spend thier time trying to cut down this good and fruitful religion. This music is food to my soul. Take your hatred elsewhere.

 

Christian

LDS,

No hatred. What part of the above is not found within the LDS foundation?

LDS are attempting to knock on our bible believing Christian doors to tell us that our belief is an abomination and that we should become Mormon and then try to call it Christianity.

Christians stand upon the foundation of Jesus Christ alone.

 

LDS

we do not want to knock down good christians. We just want to invite you to hear what we believe to be true. Second I hate to be so picky but we are NOT "mormons" We are The Church Of Jesus Christ Of LatterDay Saints. We believe in Christ too. About the Book of Mormon We just believe it is scripture in ADDITION to the Bible. We do believe in the bible. However it is wonderful to have suc inspirational music to motivate us in our Christian duties, to love everyone like Christ taught us.

 

Christian     

LDS,

your message appears as a response my message, only I can't find it. Was it deleted/removed? Not faith building?

 

As one who was LDS for nearly 32 years, I can say with confidence that Christianity and Mormonism are not alike. Every part is different. The most important distinction is that we as Christians do not believe that Gods ultimate plan is for us to become gods. In contrast to this we as Christians surrender to Christ and are in Him.

 

LDS     

Thank you but we are still Christian, Christians are those who believe in and follow Christ.

 

Christian   

LDS desire to join Christianity.

 

This is clearly an empty claim without knowledge, understanding and truth.

 

Mormonism and Christianity are built on two completely different foundations. A different Jesus, different God(s), different contradictory priesthood, different contradictory temples, different baptism, different contradictory scriptures. The LDS foundation shifts as sand. Adam is god or not. Polygamy or not. Blacks no salvation or not.

Mormonism is NOT Biblical.

 

LDS      blah blah blah no one cares buddy

 

LDS   

The name of the "LDS" church is THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS. We believe in a living and resurrected Christ who after his resurrection and ascension into heaven, visited the people of the ancient americas the record of which is found in the Book of Mormon. We know the Book of Mormon to be the word of God and we know there was a "restitution(restoration) of all things" Acts 3:29 where the priesthood was conferred by the laying on of hands on the prophet Joseph Smith.

 

Christian   

Having examined the BoM from every possible angle, including prayer, it does not qualify as scripture and is NOT accepted by the Christian community. On the other hand, the Bible is continually being up girded by archeology, scripture, history, maps, facts and truth.

There is nothing to support the BoM. The Book of Abraham is a clear example of Joseph Smiths translation style. Pure subjective with no objective support.

I love you. I would love to see you really know Jesus Christ in truth.

 

LDS  

well, the bible says "cursed is he who trusts in the arm oof flesh" why is it so hard to understand that communities, societies, scientific studies or anything like that has a say in teh things of God? "Ask and ye shall receive, seek and ye shall find, knock and it shall be opened unto you"... the apostle James directed "If any of you lack wisdom LET HIM ASK OF GOD that giveth to all men liberally and upbraideth not and it shall be given him".

 

Christian    

LDS,

As we examine the facts within the Bible and history, God gave us everything needed including facts, truth, archeology, and alignment with the word so that we would NOT miss Jesus Christ and what He did for us and NOT miss who we are in Him.

 

It is definately NOT all subjective...as we have seen from history, pure subjective "truth" has gotten many in big trouble.

When we get out of alignment with the Word of God we are in trouble. Bless you.

 

LDS   

We DO NOT practice poligamy today, though the early members of our church were commanded of Jesus Christ to practice it. The practice stopped by the Lord's command in 1890, over 110 years ago. Those who practice it today ARE NOT in fellowship owith our church or DO NOT belong to it. You're invited to learn more and find out for yourself if this things are true or not. I received an answer to my prayers and I know that these things are true because of the feelings of peace and assurance I feel.

 

Christian

LDS,

Regardless of whether LDS practice plural marriage today, Joseph Smith brought upon the LDS a "new and everlasting covenant and if you do not abide...you will be damned" LDS scripture D&C section 132.

 

This is only one of the thousands of problems in LDS doctrine that caused me to leave the deception for truth. I left Mormonism after 30 years for a genuine relationship with Jesus Christ.

 

LDS 

If you really study LDS scripture, you'll realize that the new and everlasting covenant is ETERNAL MARRIAGE, which is performed in Temples. Joseph Smith didn't bring it upon us, the Lord revealed it to him.

If you read the Book of Mormon yourself, you'll realize that it supports the Bible... it's not a competitor, but rather, a companion to it. It testifies of Christ and the invitation to read it is for everyone. The promise is that iof you ask in faith, you'll receive an answer.

 

Christian    

If I really study LDS scripture, specifically D&C section 132:4 it is unmistakable what it means. Joseph Smith was in trouble...If we understand Jesus Christ and the NEW COVENANT that He made with us, that we are in a period of GRACE now...D&C 132 represents a different God. Jesus would not manipulate like the God of D&C 132 does. Threatening with destruction, threatening Emma, it is just bad. Read it. Know that Joseph was feeling pressure for his secret sin at that time.

Trust Jesus

 

LDS  

Mormons believe in the Bible and in Christ. Read their list of beleifs, please.

 

Christian   

LDS,

"Believe in". Even demons believe in Christ, but that does not make them Christians. LDS Believe in Christ then add an incredible amount of conditions on top of that. When we honestly examine LDS teachings, scripture and words of the LDS Prophets, we soon realize that it is literally impossible to attain Salvation according to Mormonism. (See how your salvation hinges on tithing in the D&C)

For Christians, Salvation is in Jesus Christ alone. The Way the Truth and the Life.

 

LDS 

I do not agree with a society given THEMSELVES attributes the Lord didn't give them. Who gave them authority to speak in behalf of the Lord and say what's christian and what's not?

That's what a prophet does, and that's why today we have a living prophet named Thomas S. Monson.

 

Christian    

God gave you and I the authority to act in His Name through his Name. He said, "Greater things will you do because I go.."

LDS, you as a woman in understanding who you are in Christ have more power and authority in the NAME of Jesus Christ than all LDS priesthood wielding men on earth. Why, because when you have Jesus Christ in truth you have the genuine article.

There is no such thing as the priesthood that LDS teach in the Bible.

Jesus Christ is our High Priest forever...

 

LDS   

Yes, the priesthood was goiven to the apostles just as they gae the hoky ghost ans the priesthood to others... you can't deny the ordinance of the laying on of hands to confer the priesthood, read it, it's in Acts...

"Greater things will you odo because I go..." you've gotta read that thoroughly because that's what Jesus said to the apostles, to whom he had given AUTHORITY... you don't get the priesthood by just reading the bible... how did Moses receive the priesthood fom Jethro? study that.

 

Christian   

Joseph Smith, Sidney Rigdon, Oliver Cowdry crafted the Melchesedic and Aaronic priesthood. There is no such thing as the LDS teach. There is absolutely no power of God in the LDS priesthood.

The authority is in Christ. Christ is in us.

The laying on of hands in meaningless.

Only through Jesus Christ according to His word is there power and authority. We must lay down our adulterous affections of any other counterfeit and kneel upon the alter in surrender to Him. laying down pride.

 

LDS   

You're not debating, your just denying.

 

LDS 

Meaningless? So what Christ practice on the earth in His ministry was meaningless? Think again.

 

Christian    

For those who do not accept His free gift, yes it was completely meaningless.

 

For those who understand the simplicity in Christ, and the magnitude of that free gift, it is a really big deal.

Jesus said, "Let he who has an ear, hear what the spirit says."

We are called to surrender our lives, our flesh our self righteousness to Him as a gift, in trade...for ALL that He has.

This is summed up in the Holy Bible and when set in motion Jesus said, "It is finished."

God is now in us.

 

LDS

why would someone, after thoroughly reading and examining the bible, with it's rich history of God's communication with man in ancient times ever believe that God has stopped to reveal his word? why would someone ever believe that God did not reach out to people of the ancient world who weren't in Israel if He loves all men and is no respecter of persons?

 

LDS

really? then what were the consecrated priests of ancient Israel doing, something that anyone could have done at the time? and also, why did the apostles have to be called and set apart as well as the 70 who were called also by Jesus? the priesthood is a rampant and ongoing theme of the bible. to say that Christ ever would anoint someone to a calling and that calling having no authority is where the true mistake is. God has always anointed to His purposes His prophets and servants.

 

Christian

What are you saying?

The Prophets of the OT were the mouthpiece for God. They prophesied the coming of the king. At that time God could not dwell in men because of sin. He spoke through prophets. The King came and went to the cross, covering your sin and mine from the beginning to the end, enabling God to dwell with us now. Jesus said where two or more are gathered there am I....

  

LDS

in the book of Acts we find a history of certain sons of a man who had claimed to take upon themselves the authority of Christ. you might want to re-read the new testament if you are going to start talking about priesthood authority.

 

LDS

Christian, where 'd'ya go? you were so eager to pick on LDS... why dont you respond to me?

 

LDS

Christian: Salvation is a process. We do the best we can with the knowledge that we have, and Christ's Atonement will make up for the rest. I find that extremely comforting and attainable. I just try to fix the little things and hopefully one day i'll make it.

 

Christian

Salvation is NOT a process but was set in place once for all forever.

We are called to share the good news once we understand.

Jesus gave you and I a blank check, we can either cash it or rip it up and follow a counterfeit.

The good news is that we have been set free from bondage and are not to return to it once we understand our freedom in Christ.

God is with you now, your sins are covered, He desires a relationship with you, like the marriage covenant. God is love.

 

LDS

may I ask what religious denomination do you belong to?

 

Christian

LDS,

Will religion save you or I?

It will ultimately come down to you alone before the judgment seat of Christ. You can say but I was LDS, or this or that...He will judge you with righteous judgment.

This occurs according to the Bible, immediately when you die. "You die, then the judgment."

It is important that you look to Christ in truth. Find a Bible believing church that teaches the word in truth.

Institutions that claim to be the truth will lead many astray.

 

LDS

A church won't saveyou itself, oyou'll be judged of your works, thoughts and desires; but the Lord estabished a church so that we could receive ordinances essential to salvation, such as baptism (read the last verses on Mark 16 and John 3:5. Baptism is essential to salvation, and so it is receiving the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands and other ordinances that obviuosly you don't understand, such as eternal marriage.

 

Christian

LDS,

Eternal marriage? I see D&C section 132 differently for sure. Understanding the period of grace that ensued beginning at the transition between the OT and the NT at the Cross...

as compared to what JS what attempting to do with his justification using threat tactics in 132 in order to repair damage already done in his affections with others beyond Emma.

Have you really read D&C 132. Imagine Jesus writing this

What did Jesus say to the woman caught in the act of adultery?

 

Christian

If "salvation is a process", then that process spits in the face of GRACE. We are saved by Grace period!

 

LDS

WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?

 

Christian

How and why? If you have an understanding of the Word, and compare with foundation of sand upon which the LDS religion is squared upon, why would you leave your first love. Revelations to the church at Ephesus. Galatians, foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you? Read it. We must be careful upon whom or what we build our house.

When the winds come and the rain falls, will your foundation shift. Polygamy or not. Blacks saved or not, Adam god or not, are you a God or not, Joseph a God????

 

LDS

Black people are able to receive the priesthood since 1978. Adam IS NOT GOD. The church has never taught it and nevew will because is not true. The Book of Mormon is the word of God and that knowledge won't come to you by rationalizing what you learn; it'll only come to you through the sincere prayer of an honest thruth-seeking heart.

 

Christian

LDS,

These things are the foundation of Mormonism. They were taught at the pulpit by LDS prophets. Albeit they shift when the wind blows.

I understand the BoM inside and out. It is not scripture. It is not equal to the Word of God.

What LDS teach of blacks (no salvation from Cain to 1978)is not of God.

LDS teach There is no salvation outside of the LDS priesthood. When we spend time to understand this, we can see that it is false.

Jesus Christ is sufficient in the Word.

 

LDS

wow if you are gonna be dumb don't spam this beautiful song by putting your opinion about our church on here because apparently you don't believe, or understand our church so just stop and go find yourself something else to do. maybe a different church to believe in!

 

Christian

LDS,

"Adam is not god"? Not taught by LDS?

D&C 37:11, PoGP Moses 6:57

Hymns: "Sons of Michael, He approaches"

"We believe in Our God", "Michael is the Eternal Father"

Are you familiar with an LDS Prophet named Brigham Young?

 

"I tell you, when you see your Father in the Heavens, you will see Adam; when you see your Mother that bear your spirit, you will see Mother Eve."

 

- Prophet Brigham Young, Journal of Discourses, v. 1, p. 50

 

LDS

Hear, I'm not gonna bother in typing replys to your attacks because I understand you go to one of those churches that dedicate time and effort in talking trash about other churches. You really don't know mormon doctrine... all the stuff you're saying is what you've been told at your church and IS NOT TRUE. You're always invited to learn about our church from the missionaries. Don't go and ask PEPSI

 

Christian

LDS,

Attacks? No, It is loud jangling, according to Millet. It will only affirm the still small voice inside that determines truth.

Take a deep breath, and relax. It will be OK.

I know and understand both sides, both Mormonism and Christianity, very well. I am not attacking but sharing the truth, that Jesus Christ is sufficient according to the Word of God. What was that about those churches? I am not with you there. Bless you, and take heed. I was LDS for 30+ years by the way.

 

LDS

lol i find that last part you wrote amazingly interesting- 'i was lds for 30+years by the way'. well forgive us all if we dont listen to someone who spends half their life in something before concluding its wrong

 

Christian

LDS,

I look at it this way. I would rather spend 1/2 of my life in a deception, and find genuine relationship in Jesus Christ than to never have come to know Him according to His Word....

 

LDS

Dude, move on...if you wasted 30 years, then that's too bad. but you can't make up for them by trying to make yourself feel better than others. If you can be wrong for 30 yrs, then you'll probably have a whole other set of beliefs in 30 more. you're straining at the gnat.

 

Christian

LDS,

I think not. Truth is singular. I believe that the truth is found within the Bible. Don't take my word for it, on the contrary, get in the Word and compare doctrine, it should not contradict LDS doctrine and teachings, but it does, and this should bother you.

 

My 30 year this or that is really not the issue, nor anything about me, but your eternity is rather important. Are we built square on truth? A look at our foundations and an examination of the claims reveal?

 

LDS

I am an active member of the Church.

 Brigham Young did teach that Adam is a god. There are many Gods. Adam is a god who presides over us, and as Brigham Young taught, Adam's own Father--the great Elohim--is the God who presides over all of us, whom we worship and pray to, whom Adam also prayed to and worshipped. Brigham Young never taught false doctrine, but many have falsely misinterpreted his words. All of the Presidents of the Church have been in harmony with each other.

 

Christian

LDS, I admire your honesty.

 

LDS

Remember were talking about the SAME Savior that forcefully rebuked and wipped those men who were making His house a Den of thieves. he went through to much pain and suffering to allow HIS gospel be turned into men with no authority given to them, make money off the poor and call themselves the lord's servants.

 

Christian

LDS,

Same savior?

Hardly.

LDS believe that they will become Gods, also that they can somehow save through works for the dead in the foreign temple made with mans hands today...

Making what Jesus did of none effect.

For Christians today, our bodies are the temple of the Living God according to the Word. We do not seek to become Gods.

We humble ourselves, and are called to pick up our cross and follow Him. That is to lay down our selfish pride, our flesh, that He may dwell in us

 

LDS

YEP I BELIEVE IN A SAVIOR, WHOES BLOOD CAN LITERALLY PERFECTS ME IF I EXPERT FAITH IN HIM. THEN I CAN KEEP HIS COMMANDMENT BE YE PERFECT EVEN AS MY FATHER WHICH IS IN HEAVEN IS PERFECT. i DONT BELIEVE THE saVIOR WAS MIXING WORDS THERE, HE UNDERSTOOD WHAT HE WAS SAYING. do YOU BELIEVE THE ATONEMENT CAN PERFECT YOU? IS IT AN INFINITE ANOTEMENT THAT PERFECT US? OR IS THAT FALSE DOCTRINE

 

Christian

What Jesus accomplished in His walk with us, was significantly more than just what occurred in the Garden.

The entire OT was advertisement and anticipation of His coming. He came. ALL prophets and law was fulfilled.

 

Much changed at that transition between the OT and NT, none of which requires a 'restoration'.

 

One of the accomplishments of Christ was the provision of a white Robe at the wedding feast whereby all were called, but few came. One chose to enter in without the free garment.

 

LDS

STOP BEATING AROUND THE BUSH!

 

ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. USING YOUR ONLEY SOURCE THE BIBLE. IF YOU SAY THAT I AM DENIED CHRIST MERCY. THEN PUT A LIMIT TO HIS BOUNDLESS ATONEMENT IN ITS CHANGING AND PERFECTING EFFECT UPON THE HUMAN SOUL THEN YOU BETTER HAVE EVIDENCE, yOU BEING A CHRISTIAN.

 

DONT HAVE "ITCHING EARS" AS PAUL SAID. BE STRIAHGT WITH ME AND EVERYONE THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO PERSUADE NOT TO BELIEVE IN THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER DAY SAINTS.

 

LDS

Reply so WHAT! I BELIEVE IN EVERY DOCTRINE THAT BRIGHAM yOUNG HAS TAUGHT. i HAVE NO PROBLEM WITH THAT ONE AT ALL. BELIEVE OR NOT I AM A ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE LDS CHURCH AND I AM IN GOOD STANDING WITH THE CHURCH. I KNOW WHAT YOU HAVE QUOTED IS DOCTRINE TAUGHT BY THE MOUTHPIECES OF THE LORD AND PROPHETS NEVER TEACH FALSE DOCTRINE. so WHAT IS YOUR PROBLEM WITH THAT DOCTRINE OF aDAM?

 

Christian

LDS,

LDS are now attempting to call Mormonism -Christian. That is part of why I am here.

Both are built upon different foundations. One, upon Jesus Christ alone, the other on shifting sands. Adam-God is only one of many things out of alignment with the Word. In publicly attempting to pass itself as Christianity, Mormonism has called out many who are rising up to defend their belief in Jesus Christ of the Bible.

A comparison of LDS doctrine, and teachings with the Bible is important.

 

LDS

So how does that make me in anyway not qualified to believe and have faith in the Sacrifice Of the SAvior of the World, Jesus Christ? Where does God say that in the Bible? Find a verse for me in the K.J.V. I promise you it wont say that i cant believe in Christ. if being a Christian means to draw close to God with your lips but having your hearts far from him. then claiming to have a form of godiliness but then denying the power of God. Then your right im not a Christian in how you see it.

 

Christian

LDS,

Question: Is it your hope (goal) to reach the 3rd degree of the Celestial Kingdom according to the LDS plan of Salvation?

 

Christian

The beliefs of the church contradict the doctrine. They also contradict the teaching of the King James Bible. Study it, and never take a verse out of context.

 

LDS

SO VERSE IN THE k.J BIBLE DO WE CONTRADICT. WHEN YOU SAY THE BELIEF OF THE CHURCH CONTRADICTS THE DOTRINE, I WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ON THAT WITH GOOD AMOUNT OF THE LATTER DAY SAINTS. BUT ISNT THAT PRETTY COMMON IN THE BIBLE WITH THE CHILDREN OF ISAERL. GOING AGAINST WHAT PROPHETS TAUGHT AND WORSHIPPED FALSE GODS AND BELIEVED FALSE DOCTRINES AND PRACTICES. YOU CAN SEE THAT IN OLD TEST. CLEAR TO THE NEW TEST. INT THE EPISTLES OF PAUL

 

Christian

Comparing doctrine within the Bible, and comparing LDS contradiction with Christianity are two very different things.

For one, the Bible is supported by history, archeology, and ancient writing.

Two, an understanding of the significance between the OT and the NT would assist you in what you are saying.

Nearly everything changed at the transition between the OT and the NT. Of those changes, none needed to be 'restored'.

What Jesus did there He did once once for all, forever...forever.

 

LDS

Christian,

well in acts 3:19-21 it says there must be a "restitition of all things" before the Son of God can come for his second coming. read it, its pretty clear. in COr chapter 2, paul says that we should compare spiritual things to spiritual things and not with the wisdom of man. So is your belief on history, Archeology and ancient writting. where is the power of god in that? Next, jesus said he came to fulfill the law and not take it away. So please answer my question i previously asked?

 

Christian

LDS,

The Law is the OT.

In the NT Jesus said that in Him ALL the law and the prophets were fulfilled. (The OT prophesied a super cool great moment..the OT was a "Shadow" of the real thing.)

Well the super cool great moment came as prophied, and now we in the NT have the "real" thing in Jesus Christ.

Jesus gave us a new 'commandment' that you "love one another as I have loved you, whereby all the law and the prophets are fulfilled"

 

LDS

Read all the church's litature and you will find the most profound and deep and beautiful things concerning the majesty and perfection of the Son of God. Jesus undersands that life is hard and confusing. HIM not being the "Author of Confusion" is not going to condradict himself and leave his beloved children in the dark. Thats why Paul being a prophet counsled us in these last days to not "despise not prophecyings." or revelation whether in the bible or not in the bible. we need everything...

 

Christian

LDS,

I agree that the God of the Bible is not the "Author of confusion".

LDS doctrine often is out of alignment with the Bible. The shifting doctrine to me is a bit confusing. Adam is god or not, Blacks saved or not, God or Gods?, punishment signs in the temple or not, polygamy or not, works for the dead?, isn't Jesus sufficient?. Really this is confusing God's word.

In LDS literature and teachings, salvation is impossible.

In the Bible, Jesus alone is our Salvation.

 

LDS

WHY WORRY ABOUT THE MEAT OF THE LDS DOCTRINE? SEE IF THERE IS ANY CONTRADICTION OR ERROR IN OUR DOCTRINE IN HOW WE EXERT FAITH IN HIM,REPENT, ARE BAPTIZED, RECIEVE GIFT OF THE HOLY GHOST. If IT IS ALL ABOUT HAVING IN JESUS UNTO SALVATOIN, THEN KEEP IT AT THAT, WHEN EXAMNING IF WERE CHRISTIANS. ITS ALL ABOUT THAT RIGHT? THAT OUR FOUNDATION, AS WE CLAIM, WE HAVE NEVER CONTRADICTED ON THAT, EVER.

 

Christian

LDS,

The foundation is everything...

Upon what foundation do we stand? If Christ alone (when we are claiming to be Christians) then that foundation is genuine.

If Christ plus thousands of other commitments, doctrines, covenants, then Jesus is not sufficient.

Salvation is in Jesus Christ alone. Anything else is a counterfeit.

 

LDS

PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS! WHY AM I DISQAULIFIED TO HAVE FAITH IN JESUS AND BE ABLE RECIEVE HIS LOVE?? DOES JESUS'S aTONEMENT PERFECT US? DID JESUS CONTRADICT HIMSELF WHEN SAID BE PERFECT AS HIS FATHER IS PERFECT? IS THE aTONEMENT iNFINITE?

 

Christian

LDS,

The answer lies within my question. "Is your goal to reach the 3rd degree of the Celestial Kingdom as per LDS plan of Salvation?"

None are disqualified, although many choose 'another gospel'

Mans perception of 'perfection' varies.

And what Jesus did, he did forever..

 

LDS

OK THEN OFCOURSE. I WANT TO RECIEVE EXALTATION IN THE CELESTAL KINGDOM (COR 15:40-43, COR 12:1-5, ROMANS 8:16-17), BEING SEALED TO MY FAMILY FOR TIME AND ALL ETERNITY (2 PETER 3:7). TO BE WITH MY FATHER IN hEAVEN AND SAVIOR, JESUS, AND CONTINUALLY GROW AND BE PERFECTED IN THEIR GRACE AND MERCY.

 

Christian

LDS,

Do you believe that we can become a God, once we have achieved or reached that level of Glory (3rd degree of Celestial Kingdom)?

Also how do interpret what Jesus meant in Mark when he said, "They neither marry nor are given in marriage in heaven"?

also, I am not sure how 2peter 3:7 applies to your point.

 

LDS

1) nO I dont believe at the moment were in the celestial kingdom were Gods. For most the part, if not all, i believe it will take alot of time and learning before it happens.

 

2) that the ordinance of being sealed to a spounse is done on earth and is not performed in hevean.

 

3) the Husnabd and wife are heirs together. aka, joint hears in christ. neither is the men without the women, Nor is the women without the man, IN THE LORD. Cor 11:11

mrwatrpolo (18 hours ago) Show Hide Marked as spam 0     Reply i dont see where you are going with this?

 

Christian

LDS,

My hope is for everyone to first, look at what they are standing upon for salvation, and two to become willing to be teachable, to develop an ear to hear, to be able to examine a thing instead of bury the head in the sand, and to see that many who are sharing are not the enemy, but rather people who genuinely care for you. Some see attack but that is merely a trained response. It is good to see the whole picture not from just one side. Satan is crafty, and we must be on guard.

 

LDS

then with that being said, what is to be learned from this little conversation? what truths can be sifted out? was there any validity in what has been expreessed by either party?

it is good to see the whole picture. But Relize when they say we dont believe in the Savior. We take it personally. Because it is a real and personal gospel. Me and others have cried to the Savior pleading for forgiveness and that beautiful peace was send to us by him, manifesting his acceptence. while..

 

Christian

LDS,

When you call Mormonism Christianity know that we as Christians do not take it lightly, Christianity is NOT Mormonism.

I do believe that it is possible for LDS to become Christian, but the extra baggage of false doctrine, and scriptural contradiction, and mans perception will eventually have to go.

Relationship with Jesus Christ (with God) is our first love. Revelation 1 to the church at Ephesus....Let nothing stand in the way.

 

LDS

Those are just a couple of examples that mean everything to us. "i hope by thy good pleasure save me to arrive at home, prone wonder Lord I feel it, prone leave the God I love, here's my heart oh take and seal it, seal for Thy courts above." Thats why we make covenants to help bind us and seal us to HIm. becuase we wonder off. So Please never say this is not a christ-centered church or anything like unto it. because you know full well that it is and Christ himself will hold you accountable.

 

Christian

LDS,

It is what it is.

Jesus Christ is sufficient.

 

LDS

Show me where God says he doesn't make convanent with people anymore. Read hebrews the whole things is about covanent. So it is bad to be bound to God?

What spritual contradiction? what false Doctrine? what man's perception? You need to show me though the bible

but remembr the bible contradicts itself, in several paces. You havent been able to show any contradict

 

LDS

IN the temple, We go their to be close to God and remember that it is though The Lamb of God and my faith in our faith in him that allows our families who we love so very much be together forever. That we will be resurrected and hopefully, if faithful, have not only a wedding garment but a clean Garment washed by His atoning blood. To enter into His and His father's presence.

 

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LDS,

God is in us now. He is not in a building built with mans hands today, that was done away with as Jesus forecasted. "Know ye not that your body is the temple?"

LDS claim a 'restored gospel' in examining the Temple, restored from what?

Where is the original?

Jesus said "Let your yes be yes and your no be no"

We are not to be bound again to anything in contract, covenant this is not of God.

We are called to understand the covenant that Jesus made with us...... "I do"

 

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we can to help us come to know our Savior and his plan for us. He is not the Author of confusion and is not going to leave His children in the Dark. Him being most intellegent and able to exert the most faith in His Father still understood that life was a challenge and a test. With that being said, Him having that understanding, is not purposely going to let his faithful children be tossed by the Interpetation of man and have be called the Word of God. He is too just to allow that to happen..

 

Christian

LDS,

We are actually called to seek Him, to learn of Him. He has never left us. "I will never leave you nor forsake you". Jesus who said, "If you have seen me, you have seen the Father", came to have relationship in the flesh with us to show us what it is like to be 'indwelt by God' who is a spirit according to Jesus.

You see when Jesus paid your penalty and mine at the cross he also gave us a covering that enables God to dwell in us now. This was not possible in the OT before Christ.

 

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